Comments on: ID and DNA: I’d rather keep my freedom and be mugged more often, thank-you very much. http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/ Politics and Life Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:54:13 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: will johnson http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/comment-page-1/#comment-7412 will johnson Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:06:31 +0000 http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/#comment-7412 Ref. "the friends" comment, I should add that I believe there are two conflicting interests which both want publicity. Firstly, enough members of the organization realize what they are being used for and want it closed down with proper redundancy procedures. Secondly, the people with the power to close it down believe that if controlled silent acquiescence can be brought to follow controlled widespread knowledge of "the friends", then more control power accrues. Which interest will win out? Ref. “the friends” comment, I should add that I believe there are two conflicting interests which both want publicity. Firstly, enough members of the organization realize what they are being used for and want it closed down with proper redundancy procedures.
Secondly, the people with the power to close it down believe that if controlled silent acquiescence can be brought to follow controlled widespread knowledge of “the friends”, then more control power accrues.

Which interest will win out?

]]> By: will johnson http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/comment-page-1/#comment-7411 will johnson Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:43:28 +0000 http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/#comment-7411 And here's some more control unsayable. When thinking of the social deterioration that is occurring, some people blame various social policies of different governing political parties and there has to be some truth in that in a general sense, but something all can agree with is that despite evermore legislation the problem continues to worsen. What is hidden from view and discussion of course, is the pervasive and truly insidious influence of "the friends" (a secretive civil service population control organisation I have been resisting for over 12 years), always present regardless of elections, and concentrated on the lower income groups which have the most contact with the civil service and suffer the most damage. What used to strike me is the abnormal and relentless pursuit of control; until "the friends" mission was revealed, namely maximum control without being caught breaking laws. The abnormality is the activities of psychopaths. This is important because now the definition of control becomes apparent, namely the pleasing of psychopaths. (Note the equanimity with which the rule of law is subverted. Human rights legislation in particular simply evaporates.) In essence, when people cooperate (knowingly or otherwise) with "the friends" they are delivered into a moral wasteland (the psychopath sees only tools of control, even in the moral codes of normal people) to be served up to the civil service. However, the imperative of secrecy results bizarrely in "the friends" inability to fully control, producing a lot of confusion, and to cap this horror its members are subliminally imparting their core ethos when interacting with the public, namely "Don't get caught breaking the law". The interaction with the public is continuing daily and I can tell you more if you ask. Thus "the friends" deliver a triple whammy to the public. 1. The invitation to cooperate in a moral wilderness. 2. Confusion. 3. A powerful subliminal message to join in subverting the rule of law. I believe it is are a leftover from the reds-under-the-bed scare of the fifties and normal bureaucratic reluctance to dismantle empires, along with the belief that one can't have too much control, because in political terms "the friends" is simply a tidied up copy of the control and repression arms of this country's historical totalitarian enemies. Civil servants have pinched the wardrobe of the enemy so to speak, and replaced political ideology with a secret control ideology. Perhaps the civil servants responsible are far enough removed from the consequences of this failed experiment to still believe one can't have too much control. And here’s some more control unsayable.

When thinking of the social deterioration that is occurring, some people blame various social policies of different governing political parties and there has to be some truth in that in a general sense, but something all can agree with is that despite evermore legislation the problem continues to worsen.

What is hidden from view and discussion of course, is the pervasive and truly insidious influence of “the friends” (a secretive civil service population control organisation I have been resisting for over 12 years), always present regardless of elections, and concentrated on the lower income groups which have the most contact with the civil service and suffer the most damage.

What used to strike me is the abnormal and relentless pursuit of control; until “the friends” mission was revealed, namely maximum control without being caught breaking laws. The abnormality is the activities of psychopaths. This is important because now the definition of control becomes apparent, namely the pleasing of psychopaths. (Note the equanimity with which the rule of law is subverted. Human rights legislation in particular simply evaporates.)
In essence, when people cooperate (knowingly or otherwise) with “the friends” they are delivered into a moral wasteland (the psychopath sees only tools of control, even in the moral codes of normal people) to be served up to the civil service.
However, the imperative of secrecy results bizarrely in “the friends” inability to fully control, producing a lot of confusion, and to cap this horror its members are subliminally imparting their core ethos when interacting with the public, namely “Don’t get caught breaking the law”. The interaction with the public is continuing daily and I can tell you more if you ask.

Thus “the friends” deliver a triple whammy to the public.
1. The invitation to cooperate in a moral wilderness.
2. Confusion.
3. A powerful subliminal message to join in subverting the rule of law.

I believe it is are a leftover from the reds-under-the-bed scare of the fifties and normal bureaucratic reluctance to dismantle empires, along with the belief that one can’t have too much control, because in political terms “the friends” is simply a tidied up copy of the control and repression arms of this country’s historical totalitarian enemies. Civil servants have pinched the wardrobe of the enemy so to speak, and replaced political ideology with a secret control ideology.
Perhaps the civil servants responsible are far enough removed from the consequences of this failed experiment to still believe one can’t have too much control.

]]> By: Someone to Watch Over You: Saviour or Spy? | The Wardman Wire http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/comment-page-1/#comment-6954 Someone to Watch Over You: Saviour or Spy? | The Wardman Wire Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:31:22 +0000 http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2008/02/27/id-and-dna-id-rather-keep-my-freedom-and-be-mugged-more-often-thank-you-very-much/#comment-6954 [...] Matt blogged earlier this week on the key question: how many freedoms are we prepared to deny ourselves in pursuit of security? It’s not an isolated question: the ’surveillance society’ debate is related to the “Sharia debate”, as both are linked in people’s minds with militant Islam - and the need to be protected from it. [...]

[...] Matt blogged earlier this week on the key question: how many freedoms are we prepared to deny ourselves in pursuit of security? It’s not an isolated question: the ’surveillance society’ debate is related to the “Sharia debate”, as both are linked in people’s minds with militant Islam – and the need to be protected from it. [...]

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