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	<title>Comments on: Bad Website Ideas - Greenpeace hosts 236,840 email &#8220;Spam&#8221; facility on website</title>
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		<link>http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2007/05/31/bad-website-ideas-greenpeace-hosts-236840-email-spam-facility-on-website/#comment-348</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian

Thanks for your visit, and comment.

I have no problem with email lobbying - I've done it myself in this case and 72 hours later I have personal responses from 4 out of 6 MEPs who represent me. I've quoted several on the article here:

http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2007/06/06/meps-to-greenpeace-get-on-your-bike-sunshine/

I do have a problem with emails sent en masse by auto-script, especially when it is promoted with this sort of statement:

"MEPs don’t receive many letters from the public, so every letter really does carry weight". &lt;a href="http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/ask-meps-to-support-energy-efficiency-declaration" rel="nofollow"&gt;Source&lt;/a&gt;

My "distortion of democracy" point stands, I think.

http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/ask-meps-to-support-energy-efficiency-declaration

That is why writetothem.com is a good model, and the way your campaign is set up is a bad one.

It seems to me that Greenpeace now has to "get over it" , i.e., to get over the hostility you are creating among MEPs.

You are really not doing yourself any favours here.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>Thanks for your visit, and comment.</p>
<p>I have no problem with email lobbying - I&#8217;ve done it myself in this case and 72 hours later I have personal responses from 4 out of 6 MEPs who represent me. I&#8217;ve quoted several on the article here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2007/06/06/meps-to-greenpeace-get-on-your-bike-sunshine/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2007/06/06/meps-to-greenpeace-get-on-your-bike-sunshine/</a></p>
<p>I do have a problem with emails sent en masse by auto-script, especially when it is promoted with this sort of statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;MEPs don’t receive many letters from the public, so every letter really does carry weight&#8221;. <a href="http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/ask-meps-to-support-energy-efficiency-declaration" rel="nofollow">Source</a></p>
<p>My &#8220;distortion of democracy&#8221; point stands, I think.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/ask-meps-to-support-energy-efficiency-declaration" rel="nofollow">http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/climate/ask-meps-to-support-energy-efficiency-declaration</a></p>
<p>That is why writetothem.com is a good model, and the way your campaign is set up is a bad one.</p>
<p>It seems to me that Greenpeace now has to &#8220;get over it&#8221; , i.e., to get over the hostility you are creating among MEPs.</p>
<p>You are really not doing yourself any favours here.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.mattwardman.com/blog/2007/05/31/bad-website-ideas-greenpeace-hosts-236840-email-spam-facility-on-website/#comment-346</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh get over it.  This no more qualifies as a "distortion of democracy" than the form letters which politicians send to consitituents with their names mailmerged into the header and the signature created by machine.  Look -- they're pretending to have taken the time to write to me personally!  

Grassroots and online activist communities will continue to be outgunned and outspent by corporate lobbyists who can afford massive distortions of justice, unless we use the tools we have.  Email lobbying is one of them, and it's not going to go away.

Full disclosure: I work for Greenpeace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh get over it.  This no more qualifies as a &#8220;distortion of democracy&#8221; than the form letters which politicians send to consitituents with their names mailmerged into the header and the signature created by machine.  Look &#8212; they&#8217;re pretending to have taken the time to write to me personally!  </p>
<p>Grassroots and online activist communities will continue to be outgunned and outspent by corporate lobbyists who can afford massive distortions of justice, unless we use the tools we have.  Email lobbying is one of them, and it&#8217;s not going to go away.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I work for Greenpeace.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wardman Wire &#187; Stop Greenpeace Spamming our Euro-MPs: Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wardman Wire &#187; Stop Greenpeace Spamming our Euro-MPs: Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark

Thanks for the comment. 

I was feeling deeply ironic when I saw the stuff abour confirmation.

I find the idea of an organisation running what amounts to a lobbying SPAM facility to fake individual emails to dozens of MEPs being concerned about good practice risible.

I don't think Greenpeace can expect or deserve anything but contempt for this little project - they are trying to traduce the democratic lobbying process. Nothing more, nothing less.

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. </p>
<p>I was feeling deeply ironic when I saw the stuff abour confirmation.</p>
<p>I find the idea of an organisation running what amounts to a lobbying SPAM facility to fake individual emails to dozens of MEPs being concerned about good practice risible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Greenpeace can expect or deserve anything but contempt for this little project - they are trying to traduce the democratic lobbying process. Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some interesting points, but the one about Greenpeace's spam warning misses the mark I think.

It's good that Greenpeace use confirmation emails (as do writetothem.com) and that's a separate issue from who they get people to email.

Getting people to respond to a confirmation email is good practice as it cuts down on spam because it ensures that the sender is using a valid email address etc.

The problem with these confirmation emails is that they *do* often get tagged as spam, which can be very frustrating as it is inconvenient for the punter and also can put people off following good practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some interesting points, but the one about Greenpeace&#8217;s spam warning misses the mark I think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good that Greenpeace use confirmation emails (as do writetothem.com) and that&#8217;s a separate issue from who they get people to email.</p>
<p>Getting people to respond to a confirmation email is good practice as it cuts down on spam because it ensures that the sender is using a valid email address etc.</p>
<p>The problem with these confirmation emails is that they *do* often get tagged as spam, which can be very frustrating as it is inconvenient for the punter and also can put people off following good practice.</p>
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